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<p>Hi Nate,</p>
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<p>So we're trying to clean up snapshots from the GUI ... we've found that if it fails to delete one night for whatever reason, it then doesn't go back another day and clean up
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<p><span>But yes, essentially running this by hand to clean up.</span></p>
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<p><span>What I have found is that lsof hangs on some of the "suspect" nodes. But if I strace it, its hanging on a process which is using a different fileset. For example, the file-set we can't delete is:</span></p>
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<p>rds-projects-b which is mounted as /rds/projects/b</p>
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<p>But on some suspect nodes, strace lsof /rds, that hangs at a process which has open files in:</p>
<p>/rds/projects/g which is a different file-set.</p>
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<p>What I'm wondering if its these hanging processes in the "g" fileset which is killing us rather than something in the "b" fileset. Looking at the "g" processes, they look like a weather model and look to be dumping a lot of files in a shared directory, so
I wonder if the mmfsd process is busy servicing that and so whilst its not got "b" locks, its just too slow to respond?</p>
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<p>Does that sound plausible?</p>
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<p>Thanks</p>
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<div><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Hello Simon,</span><br>
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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Sadly, that "1036" is not a node ID, but just a counter.</span><br>
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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">These are tricky to troubleshoot. Usually, by the time you realize it's happening and try to collect some data, things have already timed out.</span><br>
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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Since this mmdelsnapshot isn't something that's on a schedule from cron or the GUI and is a command you are running, you could try some heavy-handed data collection.</span><br>
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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">You suspect a particular fileset already, so maybe have a 'mmdsh -N all lsof /path/to/fileset' ready to go in one window, and the 'mmdelsnapshot' ready to go in another window? When the mmdelsnapshot times
out, you can find the nodes it was waiting on in the file system manager mmfs.log.latest and see what matches up with the open files identified by lsof.</span><br>
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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">It sounds like you already know this, but the <c0n42> type of internal node names in the log messages can be translated with 'mmfsadm dump tscomm' or also plain old 'mmdiag --network'.<br>
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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Thanks,</span><br>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">Hmm ... mmdiag --tokenmgr shows:</span></p>
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<span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"> Server stats: requests 195417431 ServerSideRevokes 120140</span><br>
<span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"> nTokens 2146923 nranges 4124507</span><br>
<span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"> designated mnode appointed 55481 mnode thrashing detected 1036</span><br>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">So how do I convert "1036" to a node?</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">Hi,</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">We have a snapshot which is stuck in the state "DeleteRequired". When deleting, it goes through the motions but eventually gives up with:</span></p>
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<span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">Unable to quiesce all nodes; some processes are busy or holding required resources.</span><br>
<span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">mmdelsnapshot: Command failed. Examine previous error messages to determine cause.</span><br>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">And in the mmfslog on the FS manager there are a bunch of retries and "failure to quesce" on nodes. However in each retry its never the same set of nodes. I suspect
we have one HPC job somewhere killing us.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">What's interesting is that we can delete other snapshots OK, it appears to be one particular fileset.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">My old goto "mmfsadm dump tscomm" isn't showing any particular node, and waiters around just tend to point to the FS manager node.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">So ... any suggestions? I'm assuming its some workload holding a lock open or some such, but tracking it down is proving elusive!</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">Generally the FS is also "lumpy" ... at times it feels like a wifi connection on a train using a terminal, I guess its all related though.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks</span></p>
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