<html><body><p><tt><font size="2">>>> There was a thread concerning fileset issues back in February, wondering if the limits had changed <br>between 4.x to 5.0.0 releases, but it went unanswered</font></tt><br><br><font size="2">Regarding the above query, it was answered on 5 Feb, 2018</font><br><br><tt><font size="2">> Subject: Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Maximum Number of filesets on GPFS v5?<br>> Date: Mon, Feb 5, 2018 2:56 PM</font></tt><br><tt><font size="2">> Quoting "Truong Vu" <truongv@us.ibm.com>:<br>><br>>><br>>> Hi Jamie,<br>>><br>>> The limits are the same in 5.0.0. We'll look into the FAQ.<br>>><br>>> Thanks,<br>>> Tru.</font></tt><br><br><font size="2">BTW, the FAQ has been has been tweak a bit in this area.</font><br><br><font size="2">Thanks,</font><br><font size="2">Tru.</font><br><br><br><img width="16" height="16" src="cid:1__=0ABB08E9DFF2A53E8f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt="Inactive hide details for gpfsug-discuss-request---04/25/2018 09:09:23 AM---Send gpfsug-discuss mailing list submissions to gp"><font size="2" color="#424282">gpfsug-discuss-request---04/25/2018 09:09:23 AM---Send gpfsug-discuss mailing list submissions to gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org</font><br><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">From: </font><font size="2">gpfsug-discuss-request@spectrumscale.org</font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">To: </font><font size="2">gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org</font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Date: </font><font size="2">04/25/2018 09:09 AM</font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Subject: </font><font size="2">gpfsug-discuss Digest, Vol 75, Issue 48</font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Sent by: </font><font size="2">gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org</font><br><hr width="100%" size="2" align="left" noshade style="color:#8091A5; "><br><br><br><tt><font size="2">Send gpfsug-discuss mailing list submissions to<br> gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> </font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gpfsug.org_mailman_listinfo_gpfsug-2Ddiscuss&d=DwICAg&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=HQmkdQWQHoc1Nu6Mg_g8NVugim3OiUUy5n0QgLQcbkM&m=S98LocHjHQe1pGot4UAs0sYXj1NhEPyEXoEcqsDxCtM&s=FtLzwY_unGN6f6WlAmJFeDFnMICYLyNlAAIxft_8wgM&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gpfsug.org_mailman_listinfo_gpfsug-2Ddiscuss&d=DwICAg&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=HQmkdQWQHoc1Nu6Mg_g8NVugim3OiUUy5n0QgLQcbkM&m=S98LocHjHQe1pGot4UAs0sYXj1NhEPyEXoEcqsDxCtM&s=FtLzwY_unGN6f6WlAmJFeDFnMICYLyNlAAIxft_8wgM&e=</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2"><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> gpfsug-discuss-request@spectrumscale.org<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> gpfsug-discuss-owner@spectrumscale.org<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of gpfsug-discuss digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Converting a dependent fileset to independent (David Johnson)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 09:07:19 -0400<br>From: David Johnson <david_johnson@brown.edu><br>To: gpfsug main discussion list <gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org><br>Subject: Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Converting a dependent fileset to<br> independent<br>Message-ID: <E7BAC76C-D746-40CD-A72E-843A01480726@brown.edu><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Yes, independent snapshotting would be an issue. However at the moment we have 570 dependent filesets in our<br>main filesystem, which is not all that far from the limit of 1000 independent filesets per filesystem. <br>There was a thread concerning fileset issues back in February, wondering if the limits had changed <br>between 4.x to 5.0.0 releases, but it went unanswered. <br><br>We would love to be able to use the features independent filesets (quicker traversal by policy engine,<br>snapshots as you mention, etc), but the thought that we could run out of them as our user base grows killed that idea.<br><br>> On Apr 25, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Sobey, Richard A <r.sobey@imperial.ac.uk> wrote:<br>> <br>> You can apply fileset quotas to independent filesets to you know. Sorry if that sounds passive aggressive, not meant to be!<br>> <br>> Main reason for us NOT to use dependent filesets is lack of snapshotting.<br>> <br>> Richard<br>> <br>> From: gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org">mailto:gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">> <gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org">mailto:gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">>> On Behalf Of david_johnson@brown.edu <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:david_johnson@brown.edu">mailto:david_johnson@brown.edu</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">><br>> Sent: 25 April 2018 13:14<br>> To: gpfsug main discussion list <gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org">mailto:gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">>><br>> Subject: Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Converting a dependent fileset to independent<br>> <br>> We use a dependent fileset for each research group / investigator. We do this mainly so we can apply fileset quotas. We tried independent filesets but they were quite inconvenient:<br>> 1) limited number independent filesets could be created compared to dependent<br>> 2) requirement to manage number of inodes allocated to each and every independent fileset<br>> <br>> There may have been other issues but we create a new dependent fileset whenever a new researcher joins our cluster. <br>> -- ddj<br>> Dave Johnson<br>> <br>> On Apr 25, 2018, at 5:42 AM, Daniel Kidger <daniel.kidger@uk.ibm.com <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:daniel.kidger@uk.ibm.com">mailto:daniel.kidger@uk.ibm.com</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">>> wrote:<br>> <br>> It would though be a nice to have feature: to leave the file data where it was and just move the metadata into its own inode space?<br>> <br>> A related question though:<br>> In what case do people create new *dependant* filesets ? I can't see many cases where an independent fileset would be just as valid.<br>> Daniel<br>> <br>> <br>> <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youracclaim.com_user_danel-2Dkidger&d=DwICAg&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=HQmkdQWQHoc1Nu6Mg_g8NVugim3OiUUy5n0QgLQcbkM&m=S98LocHjHQe1pGot4UAs0sYXj1NhEPyEXoEcqsDxCtM&s=ctx0N2K6fykHKd_4sWHgXk0eRcJLrWcWvCYS1ea7o-s&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youracclaim.com_user_danel-2Dkidger&d=DwICAg&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=HQmkdQWQHoc1Nu6Mg_g8NVugim3OiUUy5n0QgLQcbkM&m=S98LocHjHQe1pGot4UAs0sYXj1NhEPyEXoEcqsDxCtM&s=ctx0N2K6fykHKd_4sWHgXk0eRcJLrWcWvCYS1ea7o-s&e=</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">> <br>> <~WRD000.jpg> <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youracclaim.com_user_danel-2Dkidger&d=DwICAg&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=HQmkdQWQHoc1Nu6Mg_g8NVugim3OiUUy5n0QgLQcbkM&m=S98LocHjHQe1pGot4UAs0sYXj1NhEPyEXoEcqsDxCtM&s=ctx0N2K6fykHKd_4sWHgXk0eRcJLrWcWvCYS1ea7o-s&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youracclaim.com_user_danel-2Dkidger&d=DwICAg&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=HQmkdQWQHoc1Nu6Mg_g8NVugim3OiUUy5n0QgLQcbkM&m=S98LocHjHQe1pGot4UAs0sYXj1NhEPyEXoEcqsDxCtM&s=ctx0N2K6fykHKd_4sWHgXk0eRcJLrWcWvCYS1ea7o-s&e=</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Dr Daniel Kidger<br>> IBM Technical Sales Specialist<br>> Software Defined Solution Sales<br>> <br>> +44-(0)7818 522 266 <br>> daniel.kidger@uk.ibm.com <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:daniel.kidger@uk.ibm.com">mailto:daniel.kidger@uk.ibm.com</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ----- Original message -----<br>> From: "Sobey, Richard A" <r.sobey@imperial.ac.uk <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:r.sobey@imperial.ac.uk">mailto:r.sobey@imperial.ac.uk</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">>><br>> Sent by: gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org">mailto:gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">><br>> To: gpfsug main discussion list <gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org">mailto:gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">>><br>> Cc:<br>> Subject: Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Converting a dependent fileset to independent<br>> Date: Wed, Apr 25, 2018 10:01 AM<br>> <br>> <br>> Hi Marc<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Yes, copying the data to a freshly created fileset and unlinking/renaming/relinking is our solution; it was always a long shot expecting to be able to convert it ?<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Richard<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> From: gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org">mailto:gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">> <gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org">mailto:gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">>> On Behalf Of Marc A Kaplan<br>> Sent: 24 April 2018 13:49<br>> To: gpfsug main discussion list <gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org">mailto:gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">>><br>> Subject: Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Converting a dependent fileset to independent<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> To help make sense of this, one has to understand that "independent" means a different range of inode numbers.<br>> <br>> If you have a set of files within one range of inode numbers, say 3000-5000 and now you want to move some of them to a new range of inode numbers, say 7000-8000, you're going to have to create that new range as a new independent fileset, and then move (copy!) the files to the new fileset. And then rename directories so that you can once again refer to the files by the pathnames that they "used to" have.<br>> <br>> During the copying and renaming, you would have to make sure there are no applications trying to access those files and directories.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> From: "Sobey, Richard A" <r.sobey@imperial.ac.uk <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:r.sobey@imperial.ac.uk">mailto:r.sobey@imperial.ac.uk</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">>><br>> To: "'gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org">mailto:gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">>'" <gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org">mailto:gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">>><br>> Date: 04/24/2018 05:20 AM<br>> Subject: [gpfsug-discuss] Converting a dependent fileset to independent<br>> Sent by: gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org <</font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="mailto:gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org">mailto:gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Hi all,<br>> <br>> Is there any way, without starting over, to convert a dependent fileset to independent?<br>> <br>> My gut says no but in the spirit of not making unnecessary work I wanted to ask.<br>> <br>> Also, the documentation states that I should see a ?dpnd? next to a dependent fileset when I run mmlsfileset with -L; this is not the case even though the parent fileset is root in this case.<br>> <br>> [root@nsd bin]# mmlsfileset gpfs studentrecruitmentandoutreach -L<br>> Filesets in file system 'gpfs':<br>> Name Id RootInode ParentId Created InodeSpace MaxInodes AllocInodes Comment<br>> studentrecruitmentandoutreach 241 8700824 0 Wed Feb 14 14:25:49 2018 0 0 0<br>> <br>> Thanks<br>> Richard_______________________________________________<br>> 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